Freddie

May, 2007

August, 2007

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I learned of Freddy when I first got an email from his owner. I get a few emails per day and have a very hard time answering them all.  We homeschool and have horses and dogs in addition to our birds, so our home is busy. I am stating this at the beginning of this page and at the end...We are sharing this information only to motivate YOU as a parrot owner to look for help if you have a plucking Eclectus. My first referral would be to the great people on "The Eclectus Connection." You can find this email group by going to the Land of Vos. This email group is composed of phenomenal knowledge and folks willing to share. I am active on some email groups and co-moderate (with Joyce Baum of www.ringnecklady.net) one in Arizona called arizonabirdtalk@yahoogroups.com  These email groups like The Eclectus Connection and Feeding Feathers are wonderful places to get information. We as breeders can help too, but our time is limited so be patient when you write a breeder and realize that bird breeding is a passion and not a business. Even the "helpers" on these email lists are completely volunteer and their abilities to spend time on the computer varies with seasons of their lives.

Enough, but here is FREDDY!!!!

The pictures of Freddy touched me so we started talking....

May 28, 2007

Hello Pampered Peeps,
 
My name is Eric and my wife's name is Pam, and we have two feathered kids, Freddy and Tommy, we'll at least Tommy is feathered.
 I found your site thru search engines and saw a picture of my little buddy Freddy. Well, it wasn't exactly him, just looked like him. Unfortunately he's a plucker and no matter how much time and energy, I (we) can't seem to get him better.
I followed your directions on bathing, drinking water, even made a ton of mash, but to no victory on the feather front.
The reason we are so puzzled is that our Double Yellow Head Tommy is a healthy as can be.
Freddy is a great personality and a really good talker and is sweet as can be, we love him very much, but I'm afraid he's going to get really sick if he keeps plucking and we can't seem to get him to the point that he doesn't pluck. He's gotten worse than ever in the last month or so and it's painful to watch.
You guys did wonders for the Eclectus that you adopted, and I was wandering if you would be interested in trying to rehabilitate Freddy?
I really don't want to let Freddy go, but I'm not sure what is best for him, and whatever it may be, I want to do what is best for Freddy. Do you guys board birds like Freddy and try to get them back to health? I have spent a fortune on him with vets, all they want to do is spend my money, and honestly, I have seemed to know more than them up to this point.
If you have any thoughts or ideas, please drop me a line or call me @ 602-xxx-xxxx.
 
Thanks for your time!!!!
 
Eric & Pam H

May 30, 2007

Eric sent me pictures of his other two pets (Tommy and Chilly)  and you can see that they are well cared for:

 

Because of my time limitations, I had my daughter, Lisa,  write back and ask a zillion questions. Here are more details of just how hard they were trying with Freddy and what great care they were giving this boy!

May 31, 2007

Hi Lisa,
 
We've had all of the tests done to make sure he's not sick, I'm not sure on giardia, what is that and is it common?
We've had Tommy the Amazon for 16 years, and got Freddy from Chirp & Dales 6 years ago, as a 6 1/2 - 7 month old. Freddy has his own cage. His plucking originally started when we went on vacation 4 years ago. He'll start doing great, then for no apparent reason, he starts tearing them out, he's usually fuzzy with down feathers, but I guess he's getting ready for the summer heat and now he looks like a little walking chicken breast :(
We are following Beleeks info posted on your site, although we have not gotten him sprouts everyday or the palm oil, maybe that would help. He really does not enjoy the mash, but he gets lots of fruits and veggies. He does have a bowl of pellets, it's the Eclectus blend, I think Zupreem, I can't think of the brand name off of the top of my head, we have a big pretzel jar it goes in when we get it for freshness.
He gets fresh water 3 times a day sometimes more, in the morning he gets a teaspoon of Apple Cider Vinegar and in the afternoon he gets a little aloe juice in it, both organic.
He loves apples, grapes, papaya, mango, pineapples, corn, split peas, lettuce, zuccini, cucumbers, carrots,  and the occasional watermelon.
He has lots of toys, a good size cage, the cage gets pressure washed every other weekend and gets papers changed at least every other day, usually daily.
 
We got Freddy at 7 months, he plucked at 1 1/2 years old when we went on vacation, and it was on and off for about 1 1/2 years until he was 3 years old, from there he's pretty much been fuzzy with down feathers up until this last year, and he has been naked a couple of times as he is now.
 
He's gotten flax seed, but I have not been able to find the palm oil. Locating some would be a huge help. I looked at GNC, Hi health, sprouts and walmart and have not been able to find it.
 
He has 6 windows and a sliding glass door to look out all day, he gets outside a couple of times a week and gets the full spectrum light at his cage with one of those flourescent UV lamps a couple of days a week.
 
How do I give him an aloe detox? That would be a great start, I am currently detoxing myself and cleaning my liver and blood, how can I do that for Fred?
 
I have not seen Dr. Burke. I would prefer to try some things at home first as I have had 3 rounds with vets, each costing me betweem $500 and $750 each round. I have well over $2,100 in vet bills in Freddy's file not counting routine visits, I really don't mind the expense except that at the end of each huge expendature of money, the vets have basically said, well, that's it, that's all we can do, just deal with the plucking, money nearly wasted.
 
Freddy gets sprays and bathes daily. What do you mean by bathing for a long period of time? I do need to get a new spray bottle, has been on the shopping list for 2 days, so we can do aloe sprays.
 
He gets those pinata style toys monthly, he's really not into them for a couple or 3 weeks, then he shreds it, then he gets a new one. He absolutely loves his new pinecone toy, it has little pine cones at the end of strings, I'll be getting more of those and he eats spray millet daily.
 
Please let me know if any of the things I am doing are wrong or not enough.
He does get into Tommy nuts once in a while when we let them out and Pam forgets to remove Tommy's bowl. They go play in each others cages as they are side by side.
 
Thanks for your time and effort, it is really appreciated.
 
Eric H

We gave them much advise and then waited. Here is a Freddy update that came to us in June. Eric is referring to our page about Belleek in this email. Belleek is what prompted Eric to email us and ask for help.

June 1, 2007

Hi Beth!!!
 
Thanks for your help!!!
Some of this info was on your site, sorry.
 
Pellets are gone!!!! Sorry Fred.....
He is getting his aloe sprays again, we missed 3 or 4 days due to nozzle failure on bottle, I have some back ups now.
I bought both palm oil and aloe detox I'll get it when it arrives, I found the info on how to administer the Palm oil, but have not found the info on how to administer the Aloe detox. Probably same way, just wonder how much. I don't believe he'll like getting that baby syringe again, but I'll try when it gets here :)
 
Also I saw the link on the edible flowers. I have several Purple Sage bushes that are flowering, are these ok and the same as sage listed on flower list? If so Freddy will get some everyday, I got 10 to 12 of them.
 
I plan on getting more plants from the list to help him along with fresh branches and flowers. He's getting 15 minutes direct sunlight in the morning and 1/2 hour at night, then some 2 to 4 hours of the vitamin lamp. Hope that's enough.
 
I will have him tested for giardia next week.
 
Thanks again for your help, we (Pam and I) and Freddy sure appreciate it.
 
Eric

 

And again on June 17, 2007

Hi Beth,
 
Freddy seems to be doing better, he's stronger and his feet sure are pretty. He has a little fuzz on him now, but we are still seing some feathers in the cage floor with moist butts, plucked I'm sure.
He's getting his palm oil and aloe flush in his bread, its more mush than bread, but he likes it that way, otherwise he dunks it in his water. His first water bowl of the day gets a little Apple Cider Vinegar, and the other 2 or 3 get some aloe juice. In his food bowl he's getting 1/2 sprouts and 1/2 mash, with some grapes, oranges, apples or pineapples, 2 serving per day, bowl cleaned mid-day. He also gets what we're having at breakfast, lunch, or dinner when we eat those meals at home. He loves pasta, and will eat it until he looks miserable, he looks like he has a water baloon on the front of his neck and he sits there and makes baby sounds that sound pathetic, so we limit what he gets
He's finally settling down in the sink bath/shower, not quite to the level of Beleek's video, but he is improving with his calm state. He's also getting an aloe spray shower with 40% aloe juice / 60% distilled water in the afternoon.
Haven't seen a ton of plumage improvement yet, but he may have damaged a lot of feathers where they won't grow back.
I do have a question, he has a lot of flight feathers that he chewed off of his wings that have shafts that are still attached. I've seen a couple of articles where these shafts are to be pulled out, is this the case or just leave them alone? I'm sort of afraid to go tugging on them with pliers like in those articles, I don't want to hurt him or make him bleed, or most importantly at this point, not traumatize him, the new bathing technique is enough trauma for now.
If I'm missing something, please let me know.
 
Thanks again for your help!!!!
 
Eric
 

 

August 31, 2007 Let the Celebrating begin. We were so thankful to get these updated pictures from Eric and so overjoyed for them all.

Hi Beth!!!
 
Just sending a few pictures to show you where Freddy is, he seems to be getting better.
 
I'm sending the old pictures for comparison.
 
Thanks again for your help, I'll keep you updated from time to time, please feel free to post these on your site if you wish to show people how you helped me.
 
Eric
The bare patches on the head are due to molting. MANY Eclectus go through very substantial molts where they look like they are bare. He could not pluck above his beak even if he wanted to. This bareness will fill in as winter comes to Arizona.

 


 

I asked Eric to summarize the changes he made and here is his response.

September 2, 2007

Hi Beth,
 
The major changes are just eliminating the pellets, adding the mash and sprouts, and a piece of bread saturated with palm oil and the aloe detox. I think Freddy is done with the sprouts, he very rarely even touches them now, which is good because about half of the batches I make are getting tossed before they mature because they get a funky fuzz on them. In his food bowl he gets grapes and blueberries, pasta, carrots (oh man does he love carrots lately he makes num-num sounds when he eats them), pasta, brocccolli, and other stuff we get on veggie platters from costco and other fruits veggies from sprouts. He gets a beta carotene tab every 3 or 4 days, and he gets the full spectrum lamp for a couple hours on most days. He'll get more real sun when it cools off, and that's hard because I have Lupus and can't be in the sun long. Can't forget the Grapefruit Seed Extract and Apple Cider Vinegar in his water bowl daily.
I also made a repair to the water softener and the water isn't as hard, since then he is filling up in the shower again, when he was naked it looked like a little water ballon on his neck, the water must taste a ton better to him, and he's actually playing in the water again, so that's a nice change.
He's is still not good at preening, his feathers look frayed etc, maybe some day he'll get better at it, but at least he's not a walking cornish game hen. He's sitting next to me working on a feather sleeve right now.
We also got a new family member a few weeks ago, Chilly, a family friend had a Green Cheek or Mexican Red Head Amazon 5-7 yrs old, we took him in. He could barely climb and walk  when we got him as he had been confined to his cage always, he also had an infection in his throat, we got him all fixed up and I made a tree for the top of his cage and we let him out and give him tons of freedom and toys.
Now he's an expert climber and he flies way too well, he's a different little guy now, not as skidish, he loves my wife and almost tolerates me. I'll send pictures of him and Tommy when I can get them off of the flash card.
 
By the way, we got a new bird store here on Gilbert at Lindsay and Williams Field North East Corner. Very nice guys, clean place and they seem to be very good with the birds, Exotic Bird World. Not sure if they are looking for birds, but you may want to contact them.
 
Sorry I rambled on so long, but, Thanks again for your help!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Eric

I am stating this at the beginning of this page and at the end...We are sharing this information only to motivate YOU as a parrot owner to look for help if you have a plucking Eclectus. My first referral would be to the great people on "The Eclectus Connection." You can find this email group by going to the Landofvos.com. This email group is composed of phenomenal knowledge and folks willing to share. I am active on some email groups and co-moderate (with Joyce Baum of www.ringnecklady.net) one in Arizona called arizonabirdtalk@yahoogroups.com  These email groups like The Eclectus Connection and Feeding Feathers are wonderful places to get information. We as breeders can help too, but our time is limited so be patient when you write one and realize that bird breeding is a passion and not a business. Even the "helpers" on these email lists are completely volunteer and their abilities to spend time on the computer varies with seasons of their lives.

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